house design flow
sound of bees buzzingok so now i have all of the flowhive piecesand there are several videos already that show how to put it together...i'm going to put this one together and thenwill tell you what my observations are problems fittingi want you to notice these joints are not aligned.right from the factory, they don't fit. i don't give them a very good grade.they just don't line up! if you line up these then come to the nextend look at the cuts, not a quality box joint! they just don't match!i am following the assembly guide and it's
not fitting.amazing! i have to take it out to the wood shop...there are supposed to be five knob screws, there were only four.i marked off the joints to be shaved down. here it is after i've corrected the joints.they were 3/32 of an inch off. ok so now you see we have the box assembled.some problems with missing hardware and misfit joints.some screws were not long enough. some were missing.shaved the box joints to proper fit. and now we're ready to put in the frames.lookin at the frame cells. i was really impressed that they are so uneven.not like actual drawn out wax comb.
they are in compartments that can be separated.interesting design... the plastic it is made fromactually feels soft... a little waxy even... but it is just plastic.and of course all of the wax frame components which are made of plastic are strung togetherand made tight with stainless steel chord. there are adjustment screws at the end ofthe frame. so you can push the frame snug against theaccessible side. the way the box went together, it was tightenough without needing adjustment. this is the seven frame system.right out of the box, it's tight enough. no movement that would allow bees throughthe end.
adjust screws here if your frames are loose.make sure there is no "bee space". as you can see, they really are flexible.easy to remove. nothing like any frames i have used before...for the rest of the video i will put this super on a langstroth hivebody. a 10 frame langstroth hive deep.bottom board and a standard 10 frame deep brood box.many people complain about plastics in the flow hive.i have been using piergo plastic frames for over 11 years with no problems.the flow hive box is a little smaller in exterior measurements than the traditional frame.then i'll put an inner cover on it.
a little burr comb on it, but that's no problem.the cover is a little larger also. standard telescoping lid.the telescoping top isn't going to allow the flow hive to open. it sets too far down.the cover tilts because it's resting on the knobs.this is just my first impressions. i haven't had this in the bee yard yet.it's february, it's 10 deg. f outside. and it's snowing.so all i'm doing is getting ready for spring. hopefully it will be a great spring for thehoney bees. as i've mentioned, the telescoping top. isincompatible. you may have to put a shallow super on topof the flow hive.
for now, we'll remove the top.you may have to do something to raise the cover so it is out of the way.it may not be the best to have the flow hive as the top box.so, we'll remove the end observation piece. here is the metal strip that give the boxrigidity. the top bar allows access for the actuatingkey. let's try that out.as i have already demonstrated, i am not impressed with the woodworking accuracy/quality.i do think the internal frames are well designed, consistent and of good quality. just as advertised.so, you may already have seen the way the acuating keys work.i wish there was a way to purchase just one
key on the website.i would like to have two keys to use at the same time.right now, you can't purchase a key by itself. when you decide to work a frame, remove thebottom pull plug. i always wondered...watching other videos... when opening the access cover.wouldn't the bees just use propolis to seal it all up?but now that i see how it's made... there is no space for the bees to come through...the worker bees can access the cells, but are blocked from coming through...so they couldn't propolize the joints and access panels.the other thing that occurs to me.
if you had a honey bee cottage, or sugar shack.where the back of the bee hive was projecting inside the shed.pretty popular in germany in fact... you would be able to work the hives from insidethe shack and extract honey without any bees getting inside the work space.you couldn't pull frames that way, but you could have a method of extracting honey withoutthe bees getting in. all of the frames could be open and draining...inside the work shed... and not even have to brush bees off of thehoney frames. i don't think this is going to be a fantasticindustrial practice. but the way they are put together, i am veryinterested in the possibilities.
looking forward to our first nectar flow.if you'll notice... they way this tube goes into the bottom...the little tongue at the bottom, goes underneath the frame material.there is no blocking of the honey from flowing out.pretty interesting... any honey that drains down and goes throughthe pieces... is just reclaimed by the honey bees.there are gaps that the honey will seep through. the plug has no threads... you just push itin. very simple.the top tab will only fit when the frames are in the closed position.so you can't forget and leave the cells in the open position.
as you can see... the materials are recyclableand the flow hive company has many statements, saying that all of the plastics are food safeand stable. if they get dirty, you can wash them out withwarm water. if these were inside a honey bee shed...you "could" if all the cells were full and properly capped with wax... (i would notextracthoney unless the cells were capped)... bees cap cells when the honey is properlydehydrated. you could have all of the tubes in and letthe honey drain out into a trough and into a large collection bucket.this method is going to take a long time to collect honey.i would do it on a hotday, obviously honey
flows quicker when it's warm/hot.i like the idea that i don't have to pull the entire frame.and don't have to cut the caps and wax off of them.i can just extract from one or two frames. and then just close it up without all thefuss. let's not pretend that this is going to bequicker than traditional centrifuge extraction processes... that would pull more honey inless time. but you're also going to be scraping the framesand doing a lot of secondary work. plus you have to take the frames to the extractingroom. now i'm just going to give you a close lookat how the mechanism operates.
i'm putting the actuator key inturning it and the cells open for draining. that is the open position for the cells.if you had crystalized honey in the cells i would put it in this positionremove the entire frame and soak it in hot water and rinse it off.after draining the honey. put the key in the top slot.and turn it until the cells return to the closed position.you will see the gaps around the cells.. the honey bees will fill those gaps with propolisand wax before re-filling with nectar that will dehydrate down to proper honey.traditional extraction removes lots of drawn comb and wax caps.some people even cut out sections of comb
to make "chunk honey".the bees then have to use a lot of their resources to restore that missing wax.that is much reduced with this process. the bees can go to work filling the cellsmuch quicker. in a nectar flow, you can draw honey off andfour days later, the cells may be full again. you have to decide how much to leave for thebees and not extract too much! especially in the fall.. you must be carefulto leave enough for the bees to get through winter where you live.normally you don't remove the frame to extract honey...notice the cells are angled to the center... that helps the nectar/honey flow to the middleand down.
seems like a very interesting design and i'mimpressed. i'm not here to tell you that this is a greatwayto manage bees and i'm not saying it's not. i'm just sharing what i"m learning as always....if there is something new in bee keeping... i like to buy it and learn about it, thensharing what learn with others. my next video with the flow hive will showhow well my honey bees accept and work the frames.you'll see how it works and what i think of it in the bee yard.you have to think about the cost of the flow hive.when it first came out on indigogo... launching their campaign. i bought one for over $500.00flow hive set a indigogo record for the most sales in 24 hours.. going
over a million in contributions...at the campaign close, they had received over 12 million dollars in contributions....so obviously this design has a huge following and many are interested in learning more.in 2016 when spring weather hits the united states.a lot of bee keepers will be using these frames. even though some people are on youtube...telling everyone that will listen... that "the only people who will be interestedin this system, will be new keepers or people who are ignorant about honey bees" well...i'm not personally ignorant about honey bees and i also don't want to be uninformed aobuthis system... so, i got one. let's talk the talk now...when it comes to starting out with honey bees
the flow hive.. is expensiveas i already said i paid over $500.00let me tell you... when you get into starting up with beesyou could go to a company like betterbee.com you could purchase a beginner kitthat kit includes bottom boardtwo deep supers two medium supersan inner cover an outer covera bee outfit a smokera veil everything you need. including a book on howto keep bees
and that's for $354.50so.. if you're looking for a bargain. i've see posts on youtube about how much itcosts to start and how much will they earn from the honey!if you are looking exclusively at cost and what you are going to earn...from the honey sales... my advice to you isdon't even begin with honey bees if you're not in it to learn about beesand improve the environment and improve pollinationand help improve honey bee health. and you think the flow hive is a method formaking quick money and cashing in on bees... i say run!this thing is expensive!
it's a new technologyand it is novel and i find it interesting... not being foror against it. i'm not here to blast it or launch a promotioncampaign. if you do not already understand honey beesand the complex colony activities and behaviors, then stop everything, go to school, or learnfrom an experienced keeper. if you are actually afraid of bees or beingstung? quit now... you will be stung!every bee keeper eventually gets stung by honey bees.so if you don't have a heart felt interest in bees first... then don't take the financialleap and try to profit from them.
for the cost of a three frame flow hive system...you could own an entire setup from a place like betterbee.comi'm not just here to endorse betterbee.. there are many sites like dadant etc...but you could have the entire deal/setup including frames... for $354.50... i would really thinkit over. if you plan to get into it for the money.i bought it... and am interested in it.only so i can know about it and inform others from direct experience with the system...thanks for watching and i hope you continue to learn about honey bees and chickens...thanks!
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